2 Samuel 5:4 David was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned forty years.. 1 Chronicles 23:1 So when David was old and full of days, he made Solomon his son king over Israel. As stated above, Saul was in his 70s when he died. David was the first person to break this tradition. Christians should try to be consistent. As shown, David was declaring that those who had betrayed him and were trying to kill him will not live out half their days. Indeed, this is highly unlikely given that Barzillai the Gileadite, who was 80 years old at the time of the revolt and was a supporter of David, was not willing to cross the Jordan river with David to go to Jerusalem from Mahanaim after Absaloms defeat and death because he was too old.[65]. The son of Ahithophel (2 Samuel 23:34). I (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Kregel Publications, 1988), p. 439. The fact is that the context fits well with Absaloms revolt and especially with Ahithophels betrayal of David. and Ali Al-Ridha said "At that time, women whose husbands passed away or got killed in the war would never get married again (and this was the source of many evils). The bottom line is that there is no evidence to support the claim that there were two Eliams. God gave Bathsheba a son, Solomon. Uriah the Hittite and Eliam, being both of the kings guard (consisting of 37 officers), were intimate, and Uriah married the daughter of his brother officer (https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/fbd/a/ahithophel.html). Most, though not all, of the evidence for the age of marriage comes from outside the Bible (i.e., from outside scripture), which some Christians ignore because it is not inspired. In my view, we should leave it to the experts (e.g., physicians and psychologists) to determine what is an appropriate age for maturity, if there is one. [13] https://www.studylight.org/encyclopedias/mse/a/ahithophel.html, He probably hoped to wield a greater sway under the vain prince than he had done under David, against whom it is also possible that he entertained a secret malice on account of his granddaughter Bathsheba (2 Samuel 11:3, comp. [The Septuagint calls him Eliab. David roused himself to action. Thus, the Talmud sages did not left out the 4 years that went by between Absalom and Davids reconciliation and the beginning of Absaloms revolt. Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. Bathsheba (/bib/ or /bb/; Hebrew: , Ba-ea, Bat-Sheva or Batsheva, "daughter of Sheba" or "daughter of the oath")[1] was the wife of Uriah the Hittite and later of David, according to the Hebrew Bible. One of Davids faithful soldiers (2 Samuel 23:39. [24], Another hadith narrated from Shia scholars states that Ali Al-Ridha, during the discussions with the scholars of other religions about prophets' infallibility, asked one of them, "What do you say about David?" How old was Bathsheba When David married her? I do not suffer from any misguided hope that all Christians will accept the facts presented in this article. My bad. Since David died when he was 70 years old, it means that he was 50 years old when Bathsheba (911 years old) gave birth to Solomon. Despite being wronged and mistreated by him, Bathsheba later became David's loyal wife and protective mother of King Solomon, the wisest ruler of Israel. This relationship probably led to Ahithophels disloyalty (2 Samuel 15:12)., [18] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/ghe/2-samuel-15.html#1, Ahithophel was very likely the grandfather of Bathsheba, [19] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/hcc/2-samuel-11.html#3, The grandfather of Bethsabee is supposed to have revolted against David, to revenge the wrong done to her., [20] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jfu/2-samuel-23.html#34, Eliam the son of Ahithophel the Gilonite , [ Eliy`aam (Hebrew #463)] omitted in the parallel list of 1 Chronicles 11:1-47; traditionally believed to be the same as the person mentioned, 2 Samuel 11:23 (Jerome, Quaest. II". Practically, I have helped the authors of DTT website and after I have done that, Im gonna deal with websites like wikiIslam and answering islam. 1. Because, I have proven that Allah is not moon god and I have proven also that that khayrul makereen is not something bad but something good and praiseworthy. The marriages of Uriah and David did not seem to bother anyone, including Yahweh. He ordered enquiries and found out that she was Bathsheba, wife of Uriah. He hanged himself after realizing that the revolt would fail. Bathsheba was a daughter of Eliam and was probably of noble birth. [88] Many commentators also say this, including Barnes,[89] Trapp,[90] George Haydock,[91] Bullinger,[92] and the Jamiesson-Fausset-Brown Commentary. . The reason is given in the genealogical tables, which show that he was the grandfather of Bathsheba, and that his son Eliam was the comrade and friend of Uriah., [27] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/tpc/2-samuel-15.html#1, Ahithophel, the grandfather of Bathsheba (2 Samuel 15:12; 2 Samuel:3), [29] https://biblehub.com/commentaries/barnes/psalms/55.htm, [30] https://biblehub.com/commentaries/psalms/55-13.htm, [31] https://biblehub.com/commentaries/poole/psalms/55.htm, that person who was the chief contriver and promoter of this rebellion under Absalom, even to Ahithophel, of whom he spoke [in] Psalm 55:13; and though he doth not excuse the rest, as we have seen, yet he lays the chief blame upon him, and here he adds new aggravations of his treason.. We can see from the example of Barzillai that people could have lived into their 80s at that time, but this seems to have been the upper limit. He went with Absalom. Bathsheba was the wife of Uriah the Hittite. Thus, it also means that he was between 4448 years old when he first encountered Bathsheba, who was 79 years old. [12], Bathsheba was the granddaughter of Ahithophel, David's famous counselor. Several scholars see Bathsheba as the granddaughter of Ahitophel,[10] as do passages in the Talmud. That Ahitophel is the subject of Psalm 55:12-14; Psalm 55:20-21, is contrary to all we know of the history of the rebellion of Absalom (, There is no hint that the writer is a king whose authority is threatened by a formidable insurrection. Im not a non-Muslim. Notice that the sin was in killing Uriah the Hittite and taking his wife! xxiii. He could have been as old as 11 years if we assume that the four years in 2 Samuel 15:7 refers to the time from Absaloms return from Geshur (2+3+2+4=11). Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. you have contributed so much great eye opening articles making Muslims and Christians aware of such controversial subjects. As the Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Commentary, Jehoiadas life was protracted to unusual longevity. Thus, while some people (a, Even if we grant a new upper limit, 90 years, that does not improve the situation for embarrassed Christian apologists. She was the mother of Solomon, who succeeded David as king, making her the Gebirah (queen mother). While the enemies are not named, a man like myself, my companion, my close friend, with whom I enjoyed sweet fellowship. He lived well past half [the] days of the normal lifespan. 23), but of Ahithophels unfaithfulness and the rebellion of Absalom (Chald., the Rabbins, and most interpreters), and indeed not after the outbreak of the rebellion, but shortly before it.. Hushai the Arkite was the kings confidant. This verse is crucial. This was also the conclusion of Jewish and Christian commentators. The table below shows a summary of this information and calculations of ages for David, Ahithophel, Solomon, and Bathsheba, based on the chronology of 2 Samuel 1117. Even if we grant a new upper limit, 90 years, that does not improve the situation for embarrassed Christian apologists. [78] Finally, in Acts 13:22, God is quoted as testifying about David as a man after my own heart. " : ( ) " (, "Bathsheba's Story: Surviving Abuse and Loss", "Bathsheba at the Bath, object 1 (Butlin 390) "Bathsheba at the Bath", "Ahithophel in the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia", "Is There a Queen in the Kingdom of Heaven? Yes, David must have been in his late 30s to his early 40s and Bathsheba would have been young but of age, not an adolescent. According to Karl Budde the interpolated portion is 12: 7, 8, and 1012; according to Friedrich Schwally and H. P. Smith, the whole of 12: 115a is an interpolation, and 12:. A minority of scholars questioned the application of the psalm to Ahithophel. But the inference is really not a probable one. Moreover, I showed that when Jesus was a 12-year old boy, his parents took him to the Passover festival, as the law required for boys his age. You Muslims believe Muhammad is a role model for all times!, In my view, we should leave it to the experts (e.g., physicians and psychologists) to determine what is an appropriate age for maturity, if there is one. 5 In Hebron he reigned over Judah for 7 years and 6 months, and in Jerusalem he reigned for 33 years over all Israel and Judah. This is confirmed by 1 Kings 15:5, which states (emphasis ours): David had done what was right in the eyes of the Lord and had not failed to keep any of the Lords commands all the days of his lifeexcept in the case of Uriah the Hittite.. 52, or the Ziphites, Ps. In this article. In turn, to determine her age at the time of Solomons (David and Bathshebas second son) birth, we need to first determine Solomons age at the time of Ahithophels death. [95] Holmans Bible Dictionary argues that the Chronicler may have confused the title of Helez the Paltite (2 Samuel 23:26) and that Ahijah the Pelonite was a textual corruption. As I recall, the woman who lived in the trailer and her husband were estranged. Before we begin, let us see what the Jewish scholars said about Bathshebas age when she gave birth to Solomon (dont worry, this is not the main evidence). [51] Pirkei Avot, Chapter 6, https://www.sefaria.org/Pirkei_Avot.6?lang=bi. Psalm 55 is a prayer of David asking God to save him from his enemies. 8 Then David told Uriah, Go down to your house and wash your feet., Uriah left the palace, and a gift from the king was sent after him. David slept with Bathsheba and arranged for Uriahs death David was sinful because he had taken another mans wife, not that he had slept with a 7-year old. 16:21), which sooner or later would have brought with it, according to Jewish law, the penalty of death; the motive for this advice being to remove Absalom, and thus to make a way for himself to the throne. [6] https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/smiths-bible-dictionary/ahithophel.html, [7] https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/ats/a/ahithophel.html, Ahithophel seems to have been the grandfather of Bathsheba., [8] https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/fbd/a/ahithophel.html, Ahithophel was the mainspring of the rebellion. The admirer, King David, is not where he is supposed to be, on the battlefield with his troops, but instead has tarried at his palace. A hadith quoted in Tafsir al-Kabir and Majma' al-Bayan expresses that Ali ibn Abi Talib said: "Whoever says that David, has married Uriah's wife as the legends are narrate, I will punish him twice: one for qazf (falsely accusing someone of adultery) and the other for desecrating the prophethood (defamation of prophet David)". An Eliam is mentioned in 2 Samuel 23:34 as the son of Ahithophel, who is described as the Gilonite. The world was vastly different back then. A girls period can start at different ages, so thats not a good argument. 1055-1023.) This is where Psalm 55 comes in. The man said, She is Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite.. Bath-sheba was the granddaughter of Ahithophel 2 Samuel 23:34., [90] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jtc/2-samuel-11.html#3, [91] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/hcc/2-samuel-11.html#3, By a transposition of letters, he is called Ammiel, in 1 Paralipomenon iii. Part of the reason for some Christians denial about child marriage in the Bible is that the Bible does not mention any specific age at which marriage could occur. 12 Then David told Uriah, Stay here one more day. This was especially the case in France.[36]. Some have also questioned whether Ahithophel would have been old enough to have a granddaughter. While puberty could occur at such an early age, it is unlikely. The reason for this was: [f]or the Lord had determined to frustrate the good advice of Ahithophel in order to bring disaster on Absalom.. Thus, while marriage at the onset of puberty was not unusual, the Bible indicates that both marriage and sexual intercourse were sometimes permitted at very young ages (though this does not appear to be the norm). The name Eliam is only mentioned twice in the entire Bible, and both instances occur in 2 Samuel. Since this is now firmly established, we may ask what relevance it has in determining Bathshebas age at the time of her marriage to David. Eliam, in turn, was the son of Ahitophel the Gilonite (2 Samuel 23:34). The plain reading of the text makes it unlikely. One of the most common placements in the 15th century, perhaps surprisingly, was in miniatures illustrating a book of hours, a personal prayer book, that overtook the psalter as the most popular devotional book for laypeople. David had multiple wives already, and Bathsheba was married to Uriah Bathsheba was uncovered (bathing) within sight of the palace, and should have known Improve this answer. [80] For example, see the Morrish Bible Dictionary, https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/mbd/e/eliam-.html. In David's old age, Bathsheba, based on David's promise, secured the succession to the throne by Solomon, instead of David's elder surviving sons by his other wives, such as Chileab (2 Samuel 3:16), Adonijah (1 Kings 1:1131) and others (2 Samuel 3:16). The passages in which Bath-sheba is mentioned are 2 Samuel 11:212:24, and 1 Kings 1:2both of which are parts of the oldest stratum of the books of Samuel and Kings, part of that court history of David, written by someone who stood very near the events and who did not idealize David. Thus, it also means that he was between 4448 years old when he first encountered Bathsheba, who was 79 years old. We have already seen evidence in a previous article that the marriage was Biblically valid. Absalom calculated on his adhesion from the first (2 Samuel 15:12); the history does not directly say why, but incidentally it comes out: he was father of Eliam (or by transposition Ammiel, 1 Chronicles 3:5), the father of Bathsheba (2 Samuel 11:3; 2 Samuel 23:34; 2 Samuel 23:39)., [9] https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/hbd/a/ahithophel.html, He may have been the grandfather of Bathsheba, Davids partner in sin and wife, [10] https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/hdb/a/ahithophel.html, Being Bathshebas grandfather, he had been alienated by Davids criminal conduct, [11] https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/mbd/a/ahithophel-.html, A Gilonite, grandfather of Bathsheba, and a very wise counsellor of David, [12] https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/rpd/a/ahithophel.html, Some have endeavored to account for Ahithophels treason by the supposition that, as it seems likely he was Bath-shebas grandfather, he wished to revenge on David the evil done to her. Even if the psalm itself did not refer to Ahithophel, the verse could still be applied to him, as he was a bloody and deceitful man (from Davids perspective) whose life was violently cut short. An argument has been founded on this to account for the hostility of Ahithophel to king David, [89] https://biblehub.com/commentaries/barnes/2_samuel/11.htm, Eliam Or Ammiel, 1 Chronicles 3:5, the component words being placed in an inverse order. This cannot refer to Absalom. [3] An Eliam is mentioned in 2 Samuel 23:34 as the son of Ahithophel, who is described as the Gilonite. 6 Then David sent a message to Joab: Send me Uriah the Hittite. So Joab sent Uriah to David. While there, the prophet Nathan tells David in 2 Samuel 12:8: "I would give you twice as much over," which In his commentary, Ibn Kathir stated that the age of marriage coincides with the age of puberty. This elite group also included Uriah the Hittite (v. 39). Could you also so a video refuting Islam Critiqued on the age of Mary. In fact, Ahithophel is mentioned along with Hushai the Arkite in 1 Chronicles 27:33: Ahithophel was the kings counselor. The estimation of Bathshebas age is indeed based primarily on the interpretation of Psalm 55, and especially verse 23 (see objection #2 below). It should be noted that the Bible does not state Bathsheba was _ years old. David's action was displeasing to the Israelite god Yahweh ('the Lord'), who sent Nathan the prophet to reprove the king. He attempted to usurp the throne during the life of David (1 Kings 1:11ff). Therefore, Christians now have the problem of having to find excuses to justify Davids sexual intercourse with Bathsheba and Yahwehs approval of it. 11:3, and 2 Sam 23:34 mentions an Eliam, the son of Ahithophel the Gilonite, one of David's "thirty". [4][5][6] David and Diana Garland regard David's action on Bathsheba as an example of rape in the Hebrew Bible.[7]. Also, we cannot forget that his life was the story behind the musical in the Bible known as The Book of Psalms. Note that the dictionary does not deny that Ahithophel was Bathshebas granddaughter or that he was the subject of Psalm 55. In addition, Gills Exposition of the Entire Bible explains, based on the Talmudic interpretation, that (emphasis ours): bloody and deceitful mendo not come up to the half of the ordinary term of mans life, which is threescore years and ten.[54], Heb. You killed him with the sword of the Ammonites. He therefore induced Absalom to commit an unpardonable crime (2 Sam. Moreover, according to the Fausset Dictionary, Ahijah the Pelonite was probably a corruption of text. Adonijah, the fourth son of King David from Haggith (2 Samuel 3:4). 34,) was one of Davids valiant men, [92] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bul/2-samuel-11.html#3, Eliam. Budde later connected it with the Jahwist document of the Hexateuch. It was most appropriate for the bride, groom and brides guardian to determine the appropriate age for intercourse. Furthermore, as stated, David himself was 70 years old at the time of his death. [8] Rather than go home to his own bed, he preferred to remain with the palace troops. [] This was also based on the Prophets marriage to Aisha. This view was based on the Quran, which states regarding the orphans who have not reached the marriageable age (emphasis ours): And do not give the weak-minded your property, which Allah has made a means of sustenance for you, but provide for them with it and clothe them and speak to them words of appropriate kindness. Was Rebekah 3-10 Years Old When Married Off To Isaac? This article was most recently revised and updated by, https://www.britannica.com/biography/Bathsheba-biblical-figure, Jewish Women's Archive - Bathsheba: Bible, McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia - Bathsheba. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. [66] Saul also lived into his seventies. Corrections? The next verse after her baby died covers a nine-month period. WebHe was killed by Joab (1 Chronicles 3:1-2) after he mounted a rebellion against his aging father David. Most, though not all, of the evidence for the age of marriage comes from outside the Bible (i.e., from outside scripture), which some Christians ignore because it is not inspired. And in the list of David's thirty in 1 Chronicles 11:36 we have Ahijah the Pelonite. She is best known for the Biblical narrative in which she was summoned by King David, who had seen her bathing and lusted after her.[2]. There is simply no reason to make assume otherwise, other than to avoid the embarrassment of finding out Bathshebas true age. Talmud Niddah 29b; Halacha is clear, ritual bath must be done during the morning hence, there is no connection with Bathsheba who took a bath during the night (2 Samuel 11:2). Psalm 55 is a prayer of David asking God to save him from his enemies. The Mount of Olives is adjacent to the city of Jerusalem, so David would have had a good view of the city and thus, assuming he wrote the psalm, could have been describing his feelings at the time. By the way, Im not a non-Muslim, but a Sunni Muslim and I apologize if I have by mistake made these allegations. He didnt go down to his own house. According to Psalm 90:10: Our days may come to seventy years, or eighty, if our strength endures;. 7 When Uriah came to him, David asked about the welfare of Joab and the army and how the battle was going. Was it not inspired? God sent the Prophet Samuel to Bethlehem At the time of Absaloms revolt he deserted David (Psalms 41:9 ; 55:12-14). The norm that the ulama did come to consensus on was only a general guideline: they prohibited sexual intercourse for girls not able to undergo it, on the basis that otherwise sex could be physically harmful. The first son died before he could be named. At the entrance to her driveway was a small lot, where a small mobile home was parked. Thus, it was not child marriage at the time since maturity tended to occur much earlier than it does now. While David was walking on the roof of his palace, he saw Bathsheba having a bath so David placed her husband in the front lines of the battlefield, in order to get killed, so that he could marry Bathsheba." The Babylonian Talmud states that (emphasis ours): Bathsheba gave birth to Solomon when she was six, because a woman is stronger and can conceive at an earlier age. I swear on your very life,[d] I will not do that!. As this was also the name of a son of Ahithophel, one of David's heroes (2 Samuel 23:34), perhaps Bathsheba was a granddaughter of Ahithophel and that the latter's desertion of David at the time of Absalom's rebellion was in revenge for David's conduct toward Bathsheba. Moreover, to manifest his claim to be the new king, Absalom had sexual intercourse in public with ten of his father's concubines, which could be considered a direct, tenfold divine retribution for David's taking the woman of another man in secret (2 Samuel 16:2023). The record does not make the impression that Ahithophel was an older man than David. Yes he had her husband Uriah killed in battle then he married her. for so we find with David, king of Israel, who learned from Ahitophel no more than two things, yet called him his master, his guide and his beloved friend, as it is said, But it was you, a man mine equal, my guide and my beloved friend (Psalms 55:14)., [52] https://biblehub.com/commentaries/psalms/55-23.htm, [53] https://biblehub.com/commentaries/psalms/55-23.htm, [54] https://biblehub.com/commentaries/gill/psalms/55.htm, [55] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jtc/psalms-55.html#23, [56] https://biblehub.com/commentaries/clarke/psalms/55.htm, So we find, if there be an appointed time to man upon earth, beyond which he cannot pass; yet he may so live as to provoke the justice of God to cut him off before he arrives at that period; yea, before he has reached half way to that limit. 9 However, Uriah slept at the palace entrance with all his masters servants. The couple had concluded the marriage contract when Aisha was only six but had waited to consummate the marriage until she reached physical maturity.[103]. Ahithophel was succeeded by Jehoiada son of Benaiah and by Abiathar.. Second point, Talmud Sanhedrin 107a says she was shampooing her hair thus, negating the fact she was taking a ritual bath, as mentioned in Talmud Eruvin 4b the whole body must be in water not hair. It reads like a song of the time of Absalom and Ahithophel. Furthermore, according to 2 Samuel 15:31, upon finding out about Ahithophel, David prayed to God to: turn Ahithophels counsel into foolishness.. Rather, Ahithophel must be the close friend, since he was Davids counselor. The Shocking Truth About Bathshebas Marriage to David in the Bible. David had Uriah himself carry the message that led to his death (2 Samuel 11:615). [68] Similarly, Smiths Bible Dictionary states that he was approximately 32 years old and died around 1023 BCE (emphasis ours): a native of Giloh, was a privy councillor of David, whose wisdom was highly esteemed, though his name had an exactly opposite signification. [1] In this follow-up article, I will present powerful evidence that will silence the rabid Christians who criticize Muhammads marriage to Aisha, inshaAllah. The recorded events of Davids life after his misconduct with Bathsheba cannot have occupied less than about twenty years; that is, he cannot have been at the time older than about fifty years. [2] Of course, in the previous article, I showed evidence from within the Bible. That Ahithophel had then a married grand-daughter is less probable than that there were in Israel two Eliams.[81]. Tomorrow Ill send you back. So Uriah stayed in Jerusalem that day. These include Adam Clarke,[56] Matthew Henry,[57] Joseph Caryl,[58] Henry Hammond,[59] and Griffith Williams.
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