I don't own, but I have shot a 300 blackout. Danish King Hrothgars beer hall was under attack by a demonic monster. S**t. If yours is anything like mine, its already too long. . (Emphasis on OH yeahhhhh). The 50 is the heaviest bullet of the three, but it has the lowest BC due to its design. Chatted with a female owner a couple years ago that was on here that owned one. This allows hand loaders the flexibility to create rounds that are customized to their rifle and their unique shooting needs. So my professional conclusions are A: Im possibly insane and B: this thing sounds like a whole lot of fun. The .50 Beowulf is a rifle big-bore cartridge developed by Alexander Arms for use in a modified AR-15 rifle. On the other hand, the 458 SOCOM offers similar ballistic performance to the 450 Bushmaster with heavier bullets. You know, I would normally think of this as a novelty item, but as of this year we in Ohio can now hunt Deer with rifles other than muzzle loaders, but there is a catch We have to use a rifle chambered for straight wall pistol cartridges, such as .44 mag, 9mm, .45, etc. $800 for an upper. Yep. The NSA is in the room and they blab everything to the keepers of the NICS. Alexander Arms will sell you .50 Beowulf mags that they claim will not handle 5.56 ammo. However, as the 450 Bushmaster fires lighter bullets, it has less recoil than the 458 SOCOM and 50 Beowulf. The 50 Beowulf lists its maximum overall length as 2.25". Although there are minor differences between these three rounds, all of them have similar performance out to 150 yards. The Overmatch Plus starts at $968, and the cheapest upper is the Entry at $759.00. Both 5.56 and 300 blackout have been extensively tested. in this video we compare the 308 winchester. Both the uppers and rifles are priced reasonably. If you have a 308, I don't think you'd get much out of a 300 blackout. All three rounds are excellent choices for hogs, coyotes, and general pests. The reason Mr. A went with the 7.6239 head size was, per an interview he did about it, because thats the largest he could make an AR bolt without significantly weakening the lugs. While the bolt carrier, firing pin and little bits seem familiar, the bolt face is sized for the 7.6339, which has a larger rim than the 5.56. Forget the 300 Blackout for Grizzly Bears, would it kill one, yes, but why take a chance. Thank you for the details Accur81 now I can stop fantasizing about an AR-15 in .45-70 Government! I donno, it sounds like perfect hog medicine to me. Furthermore, the 50 Beowulf name is trademarked by Alexander Arms. This means that the 50 Beowulf effective range for deer is around 150 yards and 100 yards for elk. In Michigan the only way I can have a loaded gun in my truck is if its a pistol with my cpl. While the projectile weights are in the same ballpark, the .50 Beowulf is going to deliver longer range and better accuracy. Its for when the fence breaks down in Jurrassic Park T rex? I currently have a 300BO bolt gun. Whats not as obvious is that the Alexander Arms upper receivers include a bolt carrier and bolt compatible with that 7.62x39 mm rebated cartridge rim. Lastly, the 450 Bushmaster fires 0.452 diameter bullets ranging between 158-300 grains while the 250 and 260 grain bullets are the most popular factory loads. Not enough accuracy? Another gun to add to my need to get list. Thats also about the distance where kinetic energy drops below 1,000 foot-pounds.What does all that mean? Using the proper bullet thats designed to remain in one piece, theres plenty of momentum to get that job done too. As it is, I am using the case for an air rifle and bought a gun case that fits. For larger game like elk, black bear, and even moose, Id favor the 458 SOCOM primarily due to the Barnes 300gr TTSX bullet as it was designed specifically for this cartridge. Many shooters and hunters, particularly those who prefer Modern Sporting Rifles, would probably agree that the .300 Blackout and 7.6239 are both effective cartridges that offer certain advantages over the .223 Remington. However, custom ammo manufacturers often make their own 50 Beowulf loads under the metric designation 12.7x42mm. In the chart below, we will compare muzzle velocity, kinetic energy, and bullet drop for each cartridge assuming a 100 yard zero. I found some ammo in stock at http://www.Detroitammoco.com they are using some plastic tipped ammo that I havent seen before. 3600gr bullet, 38,000ft lb. I stole one from an inexpensive starter AR(Stag model1+) I have a 2 stage tactical trigger and an PRS stock ready to assemble for it.. It is always unburnt powder in the chamber that is the problem. Bear hunting or protection? A couple of frangible loads are available for door lock busting and training use..50 Beowulf AmmunitionAs a proprietary cartridge, ammunition choices are somewhat limited. Perhaps the biggest difference between these three cartridges is their case design itself. 450 Bushmaster vs 458 SOCOM vs 50 Beowulf: Big Bore AR Cartridges, Muzzle Velocity, Kinetic Energy, and Trajectory, Ballistic Coefficient and Sectional Density, Final Shots: 450 Bushmaster vs 458 SOCOM vs 50 Beowulf, 300 Win Mag vs 338 Win Mag vs 338 Lapua Mag, 450 Bushmaster vs 458 SOCOM vs 50 Beowulf. Ralph, you want pictures of expansion from the wulf, here ya go. The Ranier 335gr HPs make FINE whitetail medicine. Even energy at that distance is impressive. But then, it hits you. Around the same . There are more cartridge choices than any one person would ever need and compared to more traditional big game calibers, the ammo is very affordable. The icing on the cake is Alexander Arms contention that its complete Beowulf Overmatch upper assembly will mate perfectly and shoot properly on all the milspec 5.56 lowers that you might have laying around in your garage or closet, and that you wont need to modify a damn thing, including the seemingly wimpy 5.56 recoil buffer. Adapting new calibers to the AR-15 rifle is nothing new, and cartridges like the 300 Blackout, 224 Valkyrie, 6.8 SPC, and 6.5 Grendel have all been moderately successful. Matched with Starline brass cases, this one is rated at 1,830 feet per second.If you want to go straight to the source, Alexander Arms offers a variety of options for different purposes. Keep your gear handy when it's not on your belt. I have a question about your writing availability. I bought one of Mr. Alexanders early .50 Beowulfs, and Im here to tell you, theyre a ton of fun. The 50 AE is most well-known for being the primary chambering of the Desert Eagle handgun. Although the terminal ballistics and effective range of all three rounds are similar, each cartridge is unique and has its own advantages and disadvantages that shooters need to weigh before upgrading their AR-15. Then a week later I got an automated message saying essentially: 1. your order may have been cancelled because you specifically requested in writing that it be cancelled, 2. your order may be partially fulfilled, 3. your order has been manually entered, 4. The 50 Beowulf fires a 0.50" diameter bullet that is intended for close-range engagements while the 5.56 fires a 0.224" diameter bullet that excels at long-range shots. This novel bullet type is injection molded from a blend of polymer and copper. [emailprotected], the other question does any one cast bullets for this Cal. Deer? Moose? This kind of impact crater, from a round that can be fired from just about any 5.56 magazine, is pretty cool. In contrast, a 10 round Beowulf magazine, which is identical in all respects to a 30-round 5.56 mag except for the feed lips, may be legal. Once again we see that the .450 Bushmaster load outperforms all the others in terms of wind drift and the .50 Beowulf comes in last. Selecting the right thumper round for your needs primarily revolves around your local hunting regulations, the type of game you want to hunt, and the ranges you expect to shoot at. The .50 Beowulf is the biggest, nastiest cartridge that actually cycles out of the AR-15 platform. Both the 350 Legend and 300 Blackout come in a wide variety of projectile weights and can come as both supersonic and subsonic varieties. I say build both and have double the fun. It should be noted that none of these cartridges would be described as having low recoil. Thanks to. This and throw the BO at the bear to distract him while you dump him. The actual order went right through and the gun arrived quickly so I am happy. Too much? AA, Midway and other retailers offer several more expensive ammo flavors, but all ammo costs can be mitigated by reloading. So it comes down to this one question: is the pure fun of shooting this beast worth the waiting time and money? .50 cal sabot slugs from a semi auto 12 gauge arent all that much different. .300 Blackout load Winchester Deer Season 150 grain Extreme Point (EP) - BC .392 Velocity and Energy Velocity flattens trajectory and makes hitting easier as the range increases. The family resemblance between the Beowulf carbine and your basic AR-15 is obvious. On the other hand, the 450 Bushmaster and 458 SOCOM can remain supersonic past 300 yards. At that point, you are blurring the line between rifle and portable cannon. If you want to have multiple rounds ready to go, they have to be roughly the same length as the 5.56 to fit through the hole in the bottom. Needless to say I got tired of fucking around with it and put in the back of my gun cabinet . Along the same lines, an AR-15 chambered for .454 Casull would also be interesting. I liked the .50 Beowulf for the same reason that I like V8 engines, 101 proof bourbon and Marshall amps. Would work nicely should I luck out and draw a moose permit. MGI makes a take-down gun that is named the Hydra which is also multi-caliber with kits from .22 LR up to and including a .50 Beowulf. What am I missing? In terms of ballistic coefficient, the 458 SOCOM has the highest at 0.236, followed by the Bushmaster at 0.21, and the Beowulf at 0.15. The areas I hunt require either a shotgun or a rifle, and semi-auto rifles are not permitted in either jurisdiction (PA and Sweden). All three rounds have a rebated rim design, meaning their rim is narrower than their cartridge base. 308 vs 50 Beowulf - penetration test. The .45-70 is too long to fit into the mag well of an AR-15. In other words, the .50 hits hard. Still have time to research until my load development for my 338 LM is complete. Now when Im bear hunting with hounds Im not loading and unloading my gun 20 times a day. I think it's a great all around cartridge. Even though you reload, 50 Beowulf bullets and brass are nowhere near as cheap or available as converted .223 and .30 caliber bullets. The cartridge is just short enough to fit in a standard AR magazine, although for obvious reasons (it's fat) it wont double stack like .223 Rem./5.56 NATO cartridges. Standard mags should work. All of the major bullet manufacturers like Barnes, Hornady, Nosler, Sierra, and Federal have multiple bullet options available for all three calibers. Feeding this beast is very doable. Lots of brush, big tough animals (game is to respectful for those vermin), and the need to not any get away if avoidable. However, the .50 Beowulf is a straight case, the .458 SOCOM uses a slightly bottlenecked case design. Would have to assume its at max powder. Here's what you need to know about the .300 Blackout vs 7.6239. The ejection port is larger, of course, and theres a forward assist. Ralph bought all the .50 AE. It is also the most important factor when computing kinetic energy. Check out the two holes at 9 oclock on this target. . That 400-grain soft-point load drops almost 12 inches by the time it travels 200 yards when zeroed for 100. Beowulf sounds cool, I wish they would SAAMI approve the thing so it could go into mass production though What's impressing me is the video shows an 8 inch hitting 700m. You might recognize that name from another cartridge developed by Alexander Arms.So given the attributes were going to discuss, the Beowulf name seems entirely appropriate. The 450 Bushmaster is also unique in the fact that there are single shot and bolt-action rifles available for hunters that are required to use these firearms whereas the 458 and 50 are relegated to the AR-15 platform only. Jacketed 45 ACP bullets measure 0.451 in diameter while the 450 Bushmaster requires the slightly wider 0.452 diameter bullets. The 300 BO is just a toy. Of the 3 deer Ive killed with mine, the furthest any have made it was one jump. 12 pistol upper w/ pepper pot brake $921.99 from Midwayusa. Hmmm.I see a new legislative agenda in the works. $995 + $200 tax stamp + 12+ months wait on paperwork, I propose a moratorium on new rifle development. I dont know what satanic forces inspired Mr. Alexander to consider the unlikely union of an Israeli .50 AE pistol round and a Russian carbine cartridge, but he did, and the result is the .50 Beowulf. A metal grip frame, slide ports and a red dot cut are just some of the new features. Hunters generally consider 1,000 ft-lbs of kinetic energy the minimum amount required for harvesting a whitetail and 1,500 ft-lbs for elk. I have used different lowers with the same result. Add your M-LOK handguard, KeyMod front end, or other rifle accessories as you deem fit. It looks odd, but it isnt. I placed the order on a Friday and on Saturday my next door neighbor, who owns a big gun shop in Punxsutawney, PA, faxed the paperwork. However, this massive case capacity is needed for the massive 0.458" diameter bullets that the SOCOM round fires. woman shooting it offhand. Mostly later. Sourcing reloading dies is fairly simple for each cartridge as Lee and Redding both have die sets for each caliber. The .50 Beowulf load features a 200-grain ARX bullet that leaves the muzzle at 2,500 feet per second, yielding 2,776 foot-pounds of kinetic energy. If you want to win trivia bar bets, the monster that Beowulf killed was known as Grendel. By the time your new upper arrives, youre going to be as excited as the time you had your first blind date with your first sure thing. cant wait to read your next review. Already have a 12.5 inch barreled 308 but the 300 blackout keeps sticking in my head. Personally, I say get both. For elk, the Beowulf is limited to 100-yard shots and 150 yards for deer. Sure there are the other two members of the big three but only the Beowulf actually matches the ballistics of the .45-70 and if you have a job that needs a big hammer, why not use the biggest, meanest, most powerful hammer in the toolbox?, What I meant to say was from what Ive read the .50 Beowulf is actually the only one of the big 3 that matches the ballistics of the venerable .45-70, while the others come close. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 50 Beowulf or 300 Blackout, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgKjbySsAik. Anyone know if the AR mags need adjusting to work or would I have to buy them from trommix? Add a butt pad to soften the recoil and it doesnt come close to zipping shut, really wish it had been designed three inches longer so it would zip closed. A lengthened 50 Action Express, or 50 AE, was utilized for both cartridges, though the 50 Beowulf has a longer case at 1.65 compared to 1.575 for the 458. As a big, powerful but slow, short- to medium-distance round thats about the size of a cocktail weenie, the .50 Beowulf is reputedly versatile enough to do the business on elk, grizzly, bison, hogzillas and your brother-in-laws big block Chevy . Because I can! in the Beowulf, the fun of which I can understand. Who sells complete 300 BO uppers that work without issues? For manning the Karaj al-Hajaz checkpoint, the Beowulf carbine is worth its weight in gold and will appear on many wishlists. This gun has a quick change barrel, so all you have to do is change out the barrel, bolt, and in some cases with the pistol calibers, the magwell changes as well. The 450 Bushmaster (or 450 BM) was developed by Tim LeGendre of LeMAG Firearm. Especially for folks like me who HATE tracking. TWO SHOTS, TWO JAMS. What will they think of next. Ammo cost is also an issue, but not as big an issue as you might think. The .50 Beowulf was not intended to be a precision target round any more than was the .45 Govt. Big game hunters and passionate reloaders will award it five. Well, color me slightly skeptical. The 458 SOCOM also has slightly more recoil. the blackout will be more versitale especially if you reload . Not only do they hit hard on large game, but they impart stout recoil on the shooters shoulder as well. If you were considering getting one but were scared off by the long wait times you should know there are no current delays. I have a few blackouts , a 458 socom and a 50 beowulf . I see some B.S. The .50 Beowulf uses a slightly larger diameter bullet of .500 inches, whereas the .458 SOCOM uses a .458-inch diameter bullet. Theres a reason why this class of rifle cartridges are known as thumper rounds. I also have a 50 bmg. We have provided recommending starting charges, which should be safe in every modern, correctly manufactured, and maintained firearm of the appropriate caliber. While at modest ranged the big 50 Beowulf dominates the energy category, the 30-30 is also bested by the 6.5 Grendel but not that not by much. CR42 Hunting 7.5K subscribers Subscribe 1.1K Share 50K views 1 year ago 308 vs 50 Beowulf - penetration test. Unless you hunt buffalo on a regular basis, what good is the .50 Beowulf? I asked about payment methods, waited a week, no answer so I ordered anyway. Great review, Ralph. Interestingly they also produce a cartridge using the Inceptor ARX 200-grain bullet. Its not new Ive owned my AA 50 wulf upper for 7 years or so. I didnt want it, but it shows sloppy management that the invoice says it was in the shipment. However, free recoil can be used to give a general idea of how hard a round kicks. Ballistic coefficient (BC) is a measure of how aerodynamic a bullet is and how well it will resist wind deflection. The carbine, all fitted out with stuff, is a tad heavy. There are many different kinds of pistols out there, and whats right for one person might not be right for you. Which doesnt matter a lot unless youre throwing a lot of ammo downrange. The same message included: 2. It duplicates .45-70 performance from a modern platform that can morph into a 5.56 in less than ten seconds and (when separated from the lower) fits inside my backpack. Both very capable at 150-200yds. Their more conventional offerings include FMJ, 100-percent brass, jacketed hollow-point, and soft-point bullets ranging from 335 to 400-grains.One thing we havent yet mentioned is the cost, and Im not talking about money. And wait. Definitly an easy add on caliber. A 438-grain slug leaving the barrel at 1,610 feet per second carries 2,520 foot-pounds of muzzle energy. Its just not all that aerodynamic and thus not MOA accurate. Plus Ive dealt with Bill Alexander when I had some questions about a different rifle and hes a really great guy who cares very much about his customers and the companys customer service is also excellent. I should have referenced the Stoner AR platform and not the AR-15 specifically. Dont insult the cartridge, please. they are tools use the right one for the job . 50 Beowulf: JHP: 325: 2524: 1870: 50 Beowulf: XTP HP: 350: . Initially the recoil was an issue but after installing a muzzle brake and a LimbSaver recoil pad the recoil is almost comfortable. The 450 Bushmaster has higher muzzle velocity, more kinetic energy, and a longer effective range than the 50 Beowulf. Ive had my .50 Beowulf for about 3 years now and I love it! This is why many hunters prefer the 450 Bushmaster and 458 SOCOM as it allows them to harvest game at longer ranges. Recoil, while prodigious when compared to the light 5.56, is manageable. Mandate .50 Beowulf as the round allowed for civilian use and no one will be able to carry more than ten rounds. by Mike Hardesty Posted in: Caliber Comparisons 5 comments Read More 1 of 3 In terms of muzzle energy, the 450 Bushmaster continues to outperform at 2,687 ft-lbs, followed by the 50 Beowulf at 2,448 ft-lbs, with the 458 SOCOM bringing up the rear at 2,405 ft-lbs.
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